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The Voices of Reason

September 24, 2008

From the Dorje Shugden Truth Blog

Earlier today I was on the NKT Truth Blog run by wisdomfire and I noticed a link to a video I had seen a while ago, just interviews with Dorje Shugden practitioners about why Dorje Shugden is so important to them.  I watched the video again and it’s so beautiful that I have to draw your attention to it!

It’s so sad how the Dalai Lama and his students have demonized Shugden practice as a cult and practitioners as demon worshippers.   For example, quite topically given Robert Thurman’s challenge by the Western Shugden Society to justify his views, Thurman said in Newsweek in 1997:

“It would not be unfair to call Shugdens the Taliban of Tibetan Buddhism,” says Thurman, referring to the Muslim extremists of Afghanistan, who believe in swift and brutal justice.

“Shugden appeals to crazies by offering instant gratification,” says Thurman. “Once you get involved, you’re told you have to devote your lives to the cult, because the god gets very angry if you don’t attend to him every day. It’s really bad stuff, the way they’re draining money out of people.”

These are unbelievably unfair and inaccurate comments.  It makes you wonder if Bob had ever met a Dorje Shugden practitioner at all.

Now, keeping these comments in mind, watch the video below and make up your own mind.

The sincerity, reasonableness, devotion and ‘down to earthness’ of these people shines through.  These are ordinary people who choose to rely upon the Wisdom Dharma Protector Dorje Shugden to benefit themselves and others, not crazies seeking instant gratification!

I found this video beautiful and inspiring, I hope you enjoyed it!

  1. Geoff permalink

    Thanks for posting this video. I often wonder too if Bob Thurman could possibly have ever met a Dorje Shugden practitioner … thing is, though, he has met plenty in his time, including his beloved Dalai Lama, and Domo Geshe and Trijang Rinpoche and many others — and yet although I doubt he would say a bad word about any of these masters if pressed, he can still say the most inane and wacky things about them in the context of their being Dorje Shugden practitioners.

    He is basically calling Trijang Dorjechang et al the “Taliban” and “crazies”. He would never have the disrespect to say it to their faces but he is saying it obliquely in Newsweek, backing it up with no evidence, of course, because there is none.

    It is amazing that no one has ever called him up on these comments before. They are irresponsible, offensive and, frankly, the most ridiculous things that could be said about these great masters.

    I am glad the Western Shugden Society is asking Bob Thurman to defend these comments now. Given the power of his celebrity, famous daughter and close ties to the Dalai Lama, he has managed to do a lot of damage to the reputation of a beautiful tradition and some of Tibet’s most respected masters. I hope one day he sees this and makes amends.

  2. Thomas Canada/Cedar City,Utah permalink

    From here in the Highland Desert Basins of South Central Utah along the Trail of the Ancients. I heard the Ressonance of Life and Beautiful Voices Reflecting from Their Inner Most Hearts. The Truth that Prevails Within All Creatures. That Love Is All There Is and Peace Prevails Even In The Fiercest of Storms.t\
    I Thank You From My Heart For Sharing The Dharma So Eloquently For Me From The Human Voice.
    Thank You Very Much!

    Lhakpa Gyaltshen

  3. Thomas Canada/Cedar City,Utah permalink

    The video invoked a rememberance of Tomo Geshe Rinpoche[ or Dr. Jigme, as he like to refer to himself],H.H. Dagom Rinpoche,Kyabje Trijang Dorje Chang, Geshe Rabten, Zong Rinpoche and Gonsar Tulku as their Protectorate with the complete devotion of the Oarsman keeping the boat afloat,Helmut Gassner. All incredibly sweet and compassionate people.
    I’ve never met Pabongaba Rinpoche nor Ling Rinpoche or Geshe Kelsang, yet!
    All devoted Masters serving the dharma.
    I was, for lack of a better word, privleged to host their visits to Bloomington,Indiana and consecrated the First Je T’song Khapa Monastery in the west following the Tradition and Protected by Lord Dorje Shugden, Forever!

    The intensity of these Masters that pervaded my life for months upon months. Gonsar Tulku and Dagom Rinpoche spread the Dharma till the walls of my home seemed to be breathing on it’s own.

    The beauty of Trijang, Zong Rinpoches with Little Geshe Rabten was to beautiful to describe. Little Geshe Rabten serving tea with one lump or two as 40-45 were chanting 10,000 mantras a day. Went on for 10 days., all day long and into the evening,voices sang as one incredibly beautiful melodic song.

    The rapture and love from these Master’s are beyond,So beyond the yick that dalia lama sounds with his putrid song.

    The differnce is as day and night. I’ve sat with the Dalia Lama in a group no bigger than 10 for days on end. It was so bone dry by comparison, the essence was not there It is true for me anyway. I can say with all sincerity and truth about DL,
    ” kicked the tires and found his path flat.”

    I listened to the people in the video and I remembered what it was and will be again. Without the fear and anxieties, it will be like walking unharmed,through a pane glass door

    I helped to Protect them,as they were young and I took my responsibilty very seriously to keep the Dalia Lama from harming these Living Treasures. That we all are blessed to have here with us at the precarious and dangerous time as the Wheel Of Dharma Turns to the West! Where it can flourish protected by our law. This law is that each and everyone of us as a Right to say and Believe as we choose, without fear of molestation and the right to defend our beliefs should any try to challenge and attempt to take it from us.
    We, Vajra Warriors of Shambala, Shine as Nine Billion Vajra Hammers, resounding in a Deep Drumbeat that Love is Here!
    Shining in each of us is an Iinner calm that protects us from the Raging Storm as We,sail through turbulent waters,
    We can see as,Watchers For The Dawn.
    There it is,the brillant beam of light.
    Be still, Stay calm,
    The Stream is Clearing, and
    All Is Well!

    Lhakpa Gyaltshen

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